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CL was good before they surrendered to the "Do Gooders" however it's actually still going if you know where to look and are willing to put up with slogging through a lot of BS to find a real person.

I was surprised to find that there are bots operating on CL that at first blush seem to be real but there are signs to give them away almost from the start. One being that they tend to make very short emails similar to the low-effort replies you often get from men. If you don't realize what you're dealing with , when you move to exchanging your real email addy so you're not going through the CL remailer (email relay) you immediately begin receiving spam from the "person" trying to get you to come to a site that is either a cam girl site or a "verification" site where they're evidently trying to steal your CC info.

That being said, within the last couple of months I actually met three women, two of whom I know for a fact are 100% very real. And believe it or not both of those agreed to meet me at a very late hour which is something most women probably wouldn't do on a first meeting with a guy they met on the 'net.

The first I had chatted with on KIK after we moved off of CL and seemed like a nice girl (I sttill think she is, actually) and by "nice girl? I mean a genuine friendly person as from the start we both new we were talking about a hook-up mostly just for sex except that "FWB" by the definition I accept is not quite as impersonal as a random" hookup would seem in that you might consider that person a friend and associate with them for other reasons beside just a "one night stand". Similar to what the more polite way of saying a "lustbuddy".
We had set up a time to meet and I was running extremely late and I was worried she thought I was being thoughtless and /or perhaps playing some kind of game with her so I wanted to keep our meeting although sh did offer to postpone it for the next day. I was already headed her direction and didn't realize how late it was getting.
I could tell this girl was pretty "street wise" and it didn't seem too unusual at the time but also she did appear to have some concern about security as she didn't give me her address, instead wanting to meet in a parking lot near where she lived. When I got to the area it was so dark and seemingly deserted that I began to suspect I was being set up for a robbery or as we had discussed chemical support perhaps it was a LE sting. But it turned out to be a place where they have security patrolling and she arrived just as I was telling the patrol that I'd just wait on the street as they didn't allow people to stay there and loiter (understandable)
We moved to a nearby parking area, I had mentioned I would have thought she would want to meet somewhere that there were people around but she was self confident enough (or foolish enough) to be OK with a place where the businesses were closed and it was very private. We got out of our cars and although she wasn't quite what I expected I'll take the responsibility for that and she would be as you might say "close enough".
We had an interesting conversation for probably a little over an hour and then sort of came to a mutual agreement to call it off.I think she may have picked up on that I wasn't all that attracted to her but she hadn't misrepresented herself and I didn't want to hurt her feelings, and she was an interesting person.

The second girl also agreed to meet me very late but the situation was different in that she claimed to only be available at that time and I was suspicious. Different things she would say and do in or communication were odd, didn't seem above board and suspicious. She said she was single and we set up a meeting as although she said she had a small window of free time it was several hours and I figured I could work with it and besides, I had to get an eyeball on this chick as she seemed to be hiding something or playing some game and I wanted to see if I was misreading that or if she was up to something what that might be. I also thought perhaps she might have a husband or BF and wanted to hide that from me and her partner as well or any number of somewhat reasonable situations the one might be embarrassed about and withhold details on which might give one cause to be suspicious.
She had been texting me while I was en route to the point where I was about to mention the I could either text or drive but not do both and I might have said something about that but I arrived near enough at the point where it was time to nail down a spot to meet and also I mentioned I was low on gas and I was having trouble finding a station open. wecontinued texting and I was luck enough to find a place and told her that I was going to fill up. After finishing that I texted her and.....nothing. I figured it was someone playing games and that she wouldn't respond anymore but then we began texting again with her expressing different excuses and I giving her was to deal with different things and also telling her if she was worried about safety, by all means bring a friend. She finally gave me directions saying sh had maybe 10 minutes to talk.
Of course before we got to this point I had realized there was something fishy and she more than likely not going to be up for a casual thing as we had been discussing. I just had to know what she was up to.
When I got to the p[lace it was an apartment complex and she was still being secretive and wanted me to pull into a spot that was at the back and pretty much a place thet would be perfect for an ambush and I texted her back and said I would think she would want a place that wasn't so private as if she was indeed worried about herself that spot wouldn't be a good choice. (I didn't tell her all that, just that it seemed unsafe)
Now note, I'm willing to get into a spot like that as If it's a setup and only one person say, wanting to rob me they are going to get a nasty surprise as on person isn't going to get far before I insert hot metal into delicate places. If it's a team then sure, I'm giving up whatever they want whether it's wallet, car or anything else but they aren't going to disarm me even though they might think they have and my vehicles are set up so that you can't start them unless you know how.while they think they are getting away or trying to figure out why the car won't start, same thing hot metal, weeping , gnashing of teeth, all that stuff. This being the short explanation, there's more to it but unless someone just walks up a pops be without discussion I'm pretty confident in the strategy.
She chooses an area more lighted and less "ambushy" although I was still on my guard and she had wanted me to park and get out, lean on the car or something so I was still wary but figured her being cautious it wasn't unreasonable. I did that and she evidently got a good look to satsfy herself of "whatever" and in a minute or so came right out, smiled and I teased her saying something like "OK, what's all the secret agenty stuff?" and gave her a laugh. she really didn't answer that and came up , gave me a little huig and we started talking . At this point I relaxed as if she was a distraction for someone coming up behind it would have happened by now. She was actually a nice looking chick and seemed sheepish and a little embarrassed. she said she hadn't done anything like that before . When I had thought a but before that I wouldn't hear from her again I had asked "are you underage or something" because I thought it might be a kid playing games and naturally if it was some chick that was and actually would get up nerve to meet me, I wanted no part of that.
But she did fit exactly what she had claimed, late 30s and nice looking. We did talk for about 45 minutes, past her claimed 10 minute limit, which would have still been well before the end of her availability that she had given before I had started out. I gave her a little bud as she had asked about that in conversations before and we said our goodbyes.

I still think she was up to something but it seems like an awful lot of work just to get a joint or two so I'm stumped. She did say "no one's ever showed up before" so she might have been unprepared as she claimed but I'm sure it wasn't just that. She didn't seem insane or really stupid but it could be she was either or both. She said things about the situation that simply didn't add up and although she talked as if she was wanting to set up another time to meet I know it was BS so perhaps she was working a longer range scam of some sort. She was looking around quite a bit as if worried someone would either see her or maybe that expecting someone to have set her up so I'm not buying the "never done this before" or the "no one's actually showed up before"stuff.

When I KIKed her later to say she seemed nice but I didn't think it was worth the effort she got pissed off and said some stuff a lot of guys would probably be upset about but I'm a big boy, self confident and this ain't my first rodeo so my disappointment is that I failed to figure out what she was up to. That seems typical of scammers getting frustrated at their plan failing after putting some effort into it, if here intent was to make me feel bad about myself it didn't work. My wife and I ares swingers and also into MFM stuff, when we do the couple's thing the wives seem to be more than happy to play and the only thing we've run into on that front is a couple of times one of the other couple had some jealousy or self esteem issues related to insecurity so if anything it wasn't as if I'm unattractive. I had told her this stuff up front but it's not unusual for people to not believe it when you say that you "have a pass" as we're even more rare than unicorns.

I do admit to being a bit warped as well as crazy enough to think certain things are my idea of a good time or worth pursuing just out of curiosity to see what's the benefit of someone's effort. In this case if she wasn't working something more long-range I'm thinking she's just a pathological liar that just does that for the satisfaction of the lie itself rather than any gain that would be worthwhile. I'm doubtful she would consider the incident satisfying.

One thing you need to be aware of also with online interactions is you might be part of someone's psychology experiment which could be a term paper or a study being conducted for some particular purpose. There's all sorts of documentation of this activity I often run across research papers when I'm doing google searches where they've used the internet as a source of test subjects that don't realize they're part of that type of an agenda. For the most part those don't seem to be harmful to the test subjects although they could be a waste of time for people being drawn into participating in such.
I've also had some interesting conversations when I've answered unusual ads asking what the person placing the ad was really up to as it seed obvious that it probably wasn't what their ad seemed to be about and found out that some people just want conversation and others are interested are sort of "people watching" as I also do but not with an academic interest or a purpose other than formal research. In my own case I just get curious about all sorts of interactions and agendas people have on the internet.

I have met a third girl that I'm sure is a person rather than a bot but her pic has me questioning whether she's a "girl" at all but perhaps she's a guy in drag or maybe a pre-op M2F trans.

When my wife and I seek other couples or a threesome we usually find those online. We have a lifetime at SLS but don't use that much as in our area there are people but it seems no many new members and we lost a resource whe CL went dark as the activity thee now is nothing like it was before and flagging is still an issue. But places like Reddit and "tube" type porn sites have member forums that are promising and there's sites that require verification but are still freee that use verification pics rather than CC info that look promising.

No. There isn't a single one out there. If a guy is over 50, he's too old and ignored and/or told no. This is because ALL women look at guys over 50 as used up, limpd***, "ED" infected, wrinkled up, gross, nasty, cradle robbing, sicko, perverted freaks of nature who should quit wasting the youngs guys airspace and die off for all they care.
Also, if a guy isn't hung so damn big that a horse would be ashamed and bury his head in a mountian of hay, then you're not worth the time of day. And the same goes for looks, ya better be a hot hollywood model, or you are deleted.........permanently.
Yet another thing. A guy, ESPECIALLY OVER 50, better be "$$ GENOROUS $$" and have fat, deep pockets crammed full of $$$$$$, otherwise women turn into ghosts. *(Last I remember I think that was called prostitution.)*

Ive tried to get a woman for 20yrs now, and this is what I encounter EVERYWHERE, every "site", in person, no matter who they are, where they are, maybe even the site they're on. This new "Doublelist" site is a stinking, laughable JOKE. The above described descriptions fit that site so very well. Craigslist, Backpage..........in person, it makes no difference. A guy better damn well meet "criteria" listed above or if not.....you'll find that you're ((guy or over 50yo)) gonna be thrown to the trashcan lions den.

Good for you. It's so awesome to see that someone actually agrees that these sites are basically prostitution. My wife and I have had some issues in the present 90% my fault but hopefully can be repaired. I know when I get in the wrong Haven't we will call it I go on these sites to see if she's cheating on me. I don't know why I really ever worried though seeing as my wife is beautiful competent, witty, smart and sexy AF and is allowed to dictate her own life the way she sees it. To all the douchebags out there that just want to make others miserable bc they live a very sad and dismall existence with little to no value on society and are more of a drain to the nation instead of help fixing it. You guys can go F*** yourselves right up the ass like you like it when you go and play poker in each other's *censored*. It is never ever F*** okay to take anyones family and turn there problems into chaos for amusement. Like really I know a couple of you guys and your sad ass marriage ending stories. You guys are still miserable and I guess thats where we should all be bc if your little feelings get hurt by someone you have to drag down 2 small children and a very wonderful women. As for me you all can do what you want I don't care. If you want to mob stalk me for some bs you guys created out of thin air and then used someone's nightmare against them so you can feel like slightly better than me for the day it's okay. I will tell you that it is so sad that even when I'm going through a mental crisis that you messing with some elses family only makes you feel slightly better you are the most pathetic bunch of *censored* the world has seen. Litteraly shall I start with names phone #s and how attractive your jobs are. Not to mention where you live some say a car is there house but anyway. I really hope you have some decency left in you and remove all the *censored* you've spread around online and blaming me for it just to try to get close to my wife when we are in a bad place. You know that will haunt you for the rest of your lives if, and that's a very big if, anyone will ever think of marrying you. Lastley enjoy imposing someones face and body on one of you dudes bodies as you all do a spitroast to each other at the next game night you have. As for me I look forward to seeing you again and again and on my way to work and when I can say honestly that made a real change and I get to have my family back well at that point you guys will be just another thing in life that people get through overcome and are stronger in the end for it. I really do hope you realize at that point you all will still be alone and miserable and probably tweeked or coked out of your minds and maybe you will be lucky enough to own a shopping cart.

There are no Legit Sites. If they are, they are not at all for men. Not worth the time and money at all.
People are running scam. Women asking for money. Not Healthy people on the websites. Women wanting committed relationsihp and looking for Husbands and "soul-mates" online. WTF? Why Adult xxx Dating websites then?
Of course after spending months and years on any website, you may find legitimate members, but they may not like you or you may not like them, and so on. So, there is no point.

Just go old school. Start talking to people around you in a shopping mall, library, petrol station, a grocery shop. Get to know people. Be kind and friendly to them and start making real relationships. You may also come across women who also want just sex. But women usually look for "soul-mates" even if they say otherwise.

only 1% of them would just go for sex, which you won't like anyways..

Good luck, and stay healthy!

i have gone back to doing magazine ads for contacts as i always found they worked as its all 1 to 1 and not BS respondents and fake profiles that lead nowhere whilst racking up monthly bills on my CC..online dating is all BS

I used nostringslocal too and one girl massaged me daily for two weeks and then someone replaced her. We had inside jokes between us and the new person didn’t know about them, she misspelled words and her grammar was different from the first girl. Then I asked her to finish a sex act the first had started and she was offended. And for some reason the girls will never initiate. They only respond. They will just disappear if u stop msging them. Never agree to meet or exchange info. I found one girl on three different sites, same name same picture. I wonder how they sleep at night...

I have been on this website for about a month. The only "amazingflings" you will get is flinging your money out the window in more ways than one. Where shall I begin...?

Be careful about the pictures and profile description you post because they will most likely get hijacked and used to dupe other members. Once I posted my profile I was over run with responses and of course, I thought that was cool. I'm 65 and women from 19 to 70 were responding. You can post your profile for free, but to respond to other members requires you to purchase "credits". So I purchased a few just to try it out and everything was fine,...at least for a few days!

The credits spend quickly because the women are advertising they want to "meet-up or hook-up", but invariably they want to chat until "they get to know you". Cha-ching, more credits used. I thought it was strange that they were on an adult website and in many cases, posted nude pictures of themselves and responding to my profile which clearly stated I was looking for a NSA relationship, then suddenly they wanted to "get to know me better" first. Cha-ching! It gets weirder.

I started to notice similarities in the responses. Several women would not use my name, but called me "babe". There were a lot of misspellings, grammatical errors and the big giveaway were terms like "bloke, bum and KG" instead of weight in pounds. Many of the responses did not reflect age appropriate comments. One 59 year-old responded to me like a teenage Russian and did not have command of normal English language.

Just to be safe, I kept a close eye on my credit card statement, and sure enough, over $150.00 was charged to my account even though I was careful NOT to check the "Remember My Account" button. I had to file a dispute claim with the credit card company, plus I had to cancel the card and wait a week for a replacement.
I also started to track my credits more closely and found once I logged off and returned another day, I had less credits available than the previous day. Interesting. I thought, well I'll contact them, right? Wrong. There is no member support or way to contact them.

They also have a "Speed Dial" option so you can save members and not have to go searching for them every time you want to respond to them. I had one profile show up in my speed dial that I was unable to delete, she kept coming back, and I hadn't even selected her for this option in the first place. There's more.

I thought I was pretty smart giving out my email address and phone number to a couple of members I was really interested in and they did email me, but sounding like the "teenage Russian". They also insisted on doing a "free" video chat" just so they "could get to know me better." By then I was too gun shy- no telling what they would have done with my telephone account! It was confirmed when I refused to do the video chats, then I never heard from them again after all that talking. Except for the initially contacting me, the women will not write to you unless you message them. Strange. Had just a few good two way conversations, but if I didn't continue to message them, they just fell off the face of the earth! It just wasn't real.

The last thing I can tell you is about your profile. When you login to it, it takes you immediately to the edit page so you can't even see your own profile! Many of the women who responded to me were from New York, California and Texas, you know, just a stone's throw from Georgia! It gets better. The next time I heard from them, their profile suddenly indicated they were now magically from Georgia, how convenient... just not for me. It was like some dating "shell game", and the bottom line, I never talked to or met in person one woman from the website.

I only searched the profiles one time and set the filters for women my age in my immediate area... It displayed 45,000 profiles! I don't think that many people live in the town where I live! When you read the profile descriptions, they really do match the pictures, the age of the woman and so on, but when you write to them, they always immediately respond in the same short, robotic and evasive way. They do not answer any direct questions, and usually respond to you with more questions rather than letting you know anything tangible about them. I'd have a better chance meeting a woman floating on an innertube out on the ocean! This was truly my most "amazing fling"!

Specifically is there a good hooker site where the hookers are real and not $500 a trick.

No unless.you try fabswingers which is a free to use site. Even then be aware as a single bloke you will be ignored.
I joined a site called genuine.uk swingers for a month expires next week so here is my experience and views of that site.
If you join as a non paying member yiur email will be flooded with posts of a the women who are dying to meet you.
When you pay to join you will find all these people want.to get in touch and give you a gmail account. Si you message them. They will then give a crap excuse as to why they cant talk to you and give you a link to pick.o . This will then be a other pay to join dating site. Total scam
This will happen 99% of the time. The other answers you get to your profile will be offers to a party with the price tag of £100. In fact the whole swinging scene is a joke and all sites like genuine uk swingers and AFF are best avoided

NO!!! They are ALL scams. Please bring back Craiglist Personals!!! Yes, you had scammers, whores, skanks and prostitutes on that site, but you could fairly easily figure them out and it was 100% FREE!!!!! I met a few legit women on there and had some amazing sex with them. Craigslist Personals were legit, no matter what anyone says about them.